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PHILuminati Fan Theories - MCU Theories Part II

July 17, 2023
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PHILuminati Fan Theories - MCU Theories Part II
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Get ready to venture through the galaxies of the Marvel Cinematic Universe with me, Phil Smith, your trusty guide and fellow fan. We'll navigate together through a constellation of fan theories that could change the way you view your favorite Marvel superheroes, from Kamala Khan's research possibly hinting at the introduction of another character in Miss Marvel, to the formation of a council of Loki's in the Loki series. And if that's not enough, we'll shed some light on why some fans are starting to feel a little Marvel fatigue.

In the next part of our epic journey, we change course and set our sights on Thor: Ragnarok. Korg's narrative has been a hot topic, and we'll be picking it apart - could the rock-paper-scissors joke be a vital clue to the gods' depictions? And could it be that we, the audience, are the children Korg is narrating to in the trailer for Thor: Love and Thunder? Plus, we'll touch on the wild theory that Deadpool could be donning the villain cap in Deadpool 3.

Squirrel Girl's introduction to the MCU

Loki Season 2 Theory

Korg's Narration in Love & Thunder

Deadpool 3's Villain

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Welcome to your go-to source for entertainment Wait for it Gaming, wait for it Anime Plus Ultra, mr Eric Almighty and Phil the Filipino. Yeah, they've got you covered and all you gotta do is Wait for it. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Wait for it podcast. I am your co-host, phil Smith, aka Phil the Filipino, and welcome to the July edition of the Luminati Fan Theory Super excited to have you guys here.

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If you never listened to an episode of Luminati, I go through a bunch of different fan theories that I find on the interwebs. Most of them are from Reddit and if you ever find yourself wanting to read along or read through them yourself, all of the links for each fan theory are in the show notes of this episode. Got some really interesting ones for you here today per usual, and this month, as you can see there in the title, is MCU themed. I did a Marvel specific one maybe a year ago and that one was received pretty well. I also wanted to do a Marvel themed episode because you know Marvel's like in a weird place right now, like a lot of people are suffering from Marvel fatigue. What's his face, what's his name? Bob Iger talking about how you know they've overcrowded the market as far as Marvel shows. Like no shit, bob. We knew that.

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I haven't seen really like any of my friends talking about secret invasion. I certainly haven't started it, I probably will. You know, I know what happens at the end of, like the first episode and also, I guess there was a big reveal at the end of episode four, which I'm pretty sure I have an idea of what it is. But, like you know, people are talking about how this kind of how secret invasion kind of like changes, how we're going to view the MCU and I don't know. Again, none of my friends are watching it, there's not a lot of hype around it and after so many, so many like recent Marvel projects have left just a bad taste in my mouth, I'm not in a rush to watch it. I'm sure I will, but again, it's not like anywhere near the top of my priority list. But with all that being said, let's get into these theories. And you know what, speaking of Marvel fatigue, I picked three out of these. Four theories that I selected are all tied to projects that I didn't really enjoy, but, that being said, these are pretty interesting theories Nonetheless. Let's start with the first one, really short, and it alludes to the inevitable introduction of Squirrel Girl to the MCU. This is from Reddit user pi 10 11.

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In episode one of Miss Marvel, kamala mentions researching Scott Lang's podcast interviews, while showing a thumbnail for an episode of the podcast called this powered life. The title of the show implies that it focuses on the experiences of superheroes and other enhanced individuals. It would only make sense if its host was an enhanced individual themselves. Looking through Marvel's catalog of characters, there is one in particular who was a precedent for hosting superhuman based podcasts. In 2022, marvel released Marvel Squirrel Girl, the unbeatable radio show, an eight part scripted podcast depicting an in universe radio show hosted by Doreen Green, aka Squirrel Girl. The show, much like this powered life, is about interviewing people in the superhuman community. If the MCU ever wishes to adapt Doreen to the big screen, this could be a good way they could tire into the established world.

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I've heard very good things about this podcast. I actually might check it out eventually, but you know people have been clamoring for Squirrel Girl in the MCU for a while. A lot of people want Anna Kendrick to play this character. I don't know if we'll ever see her, but I mean Marvel has had this ability to bring in characters that are like really obsolete. I mean honestly, once they made Guardians of the Galaxy work, that's what I knew was like. Ok, you know I'm going to give everything a chance.

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I will say earlier, you know, I pointed out that three of these four theories are from projects I didn't like, and not Miss Marvel, though Miss Marvel was fantastic. I'm more so referring to Ant-Man. Quantum India was just not good Bad CGI, really, really camp humor, and it just was not. The movie to introduce Kangin, like it just didn't make a lot of sense. The Ant-Man movies have always just been kind of like OK anyway, and they're always just carried by the raw charisma of Paul Rudd, but Quantum India just wasn't it for me.

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Speaking of something that wasn't it, let's talk about the Loki show. If you've been around long enough, you guys may have watched I believe it was a YouTube video that we did a YouTube review of Loki. You guys know how much Eric and I disdain the Loki series, which is really disappointing since Loki and you know Tom Hiddleston, one of my favorite characters in the MCU, but Loki, again, just an absolute mess of a show. Not a fan of Sophie whatsoever and I'm going to again begrudgingly watch season two of Loki because I think it's going to be very important. That's the one thing that's frustrating too is the Loki TV show is probably up there amongst the most important of the Marvel shows that have come out in Disney+. So the fact that you have to watch through six, seven episodes of crap to get to the important part is very frustrating.

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Anyway, here's a theory from Reddit user the mediocre critic, who has a theory that Loki will form a council of loki's to combat the influx of kings into the sacred timeline. They will free the variants and use the TVA to fight King, and Loki will finally realize his glorious purpose. Loki has proven time and time again to be a central player in the MCU and I believe that, going forward, this trend will continue. In the coming season we will see Loki fulfill a purpose he could have never predicted, a purpose that has him becoming the protector of the sacred timeline. He will repurpose the TVA to protect instead of control. Tom Hiddleston has previously teased that season two would be centered on the war for the soul of the TVA. This would fit perfectly with that. Here's how I see it playing out.

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The Loki watches as the multiverse begins to crumble after the death of he who remains. The TVA's fall as he who remains hold on them is broken. War is breaking out in the multiverse and each day brings them closer to multiverse war. Loki, feeling partly responsible, takes it upon himself to protect the sacred timeline. He frees those in the TVA and repurposes the TVA to help fight against the king insurgents. Loki is going to need some help. He will need a group of people that can deceive, trick, sabotage and genuinely be a pain in the ass to the kings that are coming through and causing problems. Loki goes to those he truly understands him. Loki recruits all the loki's he can find from across the multiverse, a group that can never stand up against kings physically but through their sheer trickery and tomfoolery. I think this is the endgame for Loki and the MCU as a god at the end of time, protecting the timeline but not controlling it.

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I picked this one specifically because you know we'll know very soon how accurate this is and if it turns out that this person was like spot on, I'm definitely going to come back to this post and give them kudos. There's no mention of Sophie in this, but I could definitely see them both kind of running this group of loki's being kind of like the leaders splitting that responsibility between both of them, but ultimately I'd like this to be Loki's story Again. I'm just not a fan of the Sophie character. Let's refocus on the main Loki and give him that redemption story that I think he is deserving of.

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Let's get to the next disappointing project here. This one is in regards to Thor, love and Thunder. There was a theory out there, I believe on the Marvel Studios subreddit, that the reason that Thor, love and Thunder was so like campy and silly and goofy is because that Korg is narrating and he is telling this story to a bunch of kids. I'm sure that makes sense, but it still doesn't excuse Thor, love and Thunder for being just an unserious movie. When you have a villain named Gore the God Butcher, and you don't ever see him butcher any gods, what the hell are you doing, you know like? Anyway, let's talk about this one. This is from Reddit, user subject89p13, and this is just an expansion of the theory that, again, korg is an unreliable narrator.

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One. Korg is literally nothing but a talking face for half the movie. This is the most obvious detail that Korg is an unreliable narrator, along with the fact that the movie begins and ends with Korg telling this story to a group of kids. The notion that the only living part of a cronin is the face the notion that the only living part of a cronin is the face is absurd, even for Marvel. If you're taking that literally, then the movie just became really stupid. If you realize Korg is just bullshitting these kids and embellishing parts of the story, it's hilarious. I don't know about that. Two, another rock-paper-scissors joke. There is a cronin god in Omnipotent City sitting on a throne of scissors. The very first time we meet Korg in Ragnarok he cracks a rock-paper-scissors joke when he tells Thor he's made of rocks, but not to let that intimidate him unless he's made of scissors. This may even be a clue that the silly depictions of the gods like Bow, the Dumbling God and the god that's just a head on a pair of feet, are just embellishments by Korg to entertain the children.

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Three Stormbreaker is not actually jealous of Mjolnir. Most people don't really understand the Nine Realms, bifrost and Tree of Idrisil, but it's really quite simple. Stormbreaker uses the Bifrost. The Bifrost accesses the Tree of Idrisil. Idrisil is a system of portals connecting nine planets in nine different galaxies. The Bifrost is a system of portals connecting nine planets in nine different galaxies, aka realms. Thor can only use Stormbreaker to portal directly to any of the nine realms, not anywhere in the universe. This is why they construct the goat boat to travel to omnipotent city and the shadow realm. They're outside of the nine realms. Korg doesn't understand this. He thinks the reason Stormbreaker isn't cooperating to teleport to omnipotent city is because Stormbreaker is jealous that Mjolnir is back. They are able to buy Frost directly back to Earth from the Shadow Realm because Earth is in Midgard and the nine realms.

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4. The trailer begins with Korg telling the story Along, with the film both beginning and ending with Korg telling the story to children. The trailer also kind of gives it a way that we, the audience, are basically the children gathering around for Korg's storytelling time. 5. Chrono reproduction. Korg tells the kids that chronons are all males and they reproduce by holding hands over lava for three days. This is probably the same as telling them babies come from the stork. Korg may just be teaching sexual preference awareness. Chronons are probably not all male. Korg says in Ragnarok that only his mother and her boyfriend showed up to his revolution.

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6. They probably didn't give the kids the power of Thor. I got some pushback on Marvel Studios for this part, because that scene is awesome, but it's probably another embellishment. Consider that Korg's audience is a bunch of kids. So a bunch of kids all getting the power of Thor and fighting an army of Shadow monsters would keep the kids captivated. A clue is the fact that Thor is using Zeus' thunderbolt to give the kids the power of Thor, which doesn't make sense. And if Thor could really give out his powers in mass, then the memes are correct. He should have used his power before. Hopefully this helps put Love and Thunder in perspective. Let me know what you think. Summoning the comments, pointing out that Korg, obviously voiced by Taika Watiti, equals to Taika telling the whole story from Korg's perspective.

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I think this one does make a lot of sense, but if you're going to do this idea, make it like a Marvel short. Don't give us a full feature length film where the audience is basically being talked down to. Don't give us such an unserious movie for one of the original Avengers. I don't know. Again, they're definitely parts of Thor, love and Thunder that I enjoyed, but when Thor does return, I hope they've gone in a completely different direction.

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Let's get into the last one here, and that is actually regarding Deadpool 3, which they are in the process. Well, they were in the process of filming and then the writer is an extra strike started, which, by the way speaking of theories, I'm going to throw this one out there. You know, we saw out of nowhere. You know, we saw a lot of photos of Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman on set in their costumes. I 100% buy into the idea that the studio leaked those on purpose that way when this strike did happen. You know, obviously, because all filming has been halted, not for just Deadpool, but for many, many projects. People that are not in the know and you know, listen, not everybody needs to look into why this strike is happening. You definitely should educate yourself on what's going on. It's similar to a lot of strikes, you know, where writers are just picketing and protesting to get what they are owed when it comes to creating these television shows and movies that we love. But I definitely don't doubt that the studio leaked those on purpose that way, people that are not familiar with what is going on will just blame the actors, blame the writers, you know, for not giving us these movies and TV shows when we want them. But I digress, you can look into that on your own. I definitely implore you to.

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This is from Reddit user Gavin Belsen's Alexa, who talks about a theory on who the villain is going to be for Deadpool 3. I believe that the main antagonist of Deadpool 3 is going to be Deadpool. I think this because it would fit three different patterns that seem on brand for the series so far One, the thematic arc. Two, the real world meta narrative arc and three, the in comics meta narrative arc. The first movie was a love story. It was about meeting, falling in love and, in any other movie, getting married. The second movie was about starting a family. I think it would see fit to see a third movie about empty nesting that family you raised, growing up and leaving you behind. It's been five years since the last movie. Negasonic and Russell aren't teenagers anymore.

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After Yukio fixed the TTD, cable most likely went home to his family. Weasel is almost assuredly written out instead of recast. The family that Deadpool built by the end of Deadpool 2 has all moved on and Deadpool is left behind. Meanwhile, in the real world, this is likely the last hurrah for the final remnants of the Fox universe. Jackman already said he was done with playing Wolverine and only came back for this. Reynolds is pushing 50 and taking up a dozen other projects, so he may be too old and too busy to want to keep doing these, even if, given the opportunity, with the numerous changes in writers, directors and even studios, I guess Disney doesn't really want to extend that opportunity. Anyway, it seems likely that this will be each actor's final turn with their respective characters. When it's all over, they're going to leave Deadpool behind.

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Now, as for Deadpool as the villain in Deadpool 2, the Juggernaut rips Deadpool in half. The team takes the top half of him to regroup and regrow. I think the bottom half was also recovered, which will give us Evil Deadpool. I think Emma Corrin is going to play some version of Allison Kemp, who has been gathering the various parts of Deadpool that get scattered across battlefields in the last few movies, and she has let them grow together in a sort of Frankenstein-type monster, and I think ultimately, that is the enemy that Deadpool and Wolverine are trying to put a stop to their own legacies that they left behind. Plus, if Evil Deadpool grew from the bottom half of Deadpool, there will absolutely be a joke about how he left his behind behind. I get another one that I picked out because we'll be able to fact check this in a couple of years.

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Some people in the comments pointing out that Logan in the final Wolverine movie kind of did a fighting a version of your self story and if Hugh Jackman decided to come back after thinking Logan was his final appearance as that character, they might go for something a little bit more epic. I'm not familiar with the Rose Gallery of Deadpool villains you guys would have to fill me in there but I think this would be awesome. Ultimately, I have a lot of high hopes for Deadpool 3. You know it is going to be rated R, which is good, and finally getting to see this version of the character with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine is going to be comedic gold. I really cannot wait for this movie to come out and it's one of those projects you know where they announce it and you're like God, I guess I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to keep watching these MCU films.

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Guardians of the Galaxy, volume 3, gives me a lot of hope that maybe they'll be able to write the ship and you know, get us, get it back on track. I don't know what's going to happen with the Marvels. We'll see what kind of treatment it gets after the first Captain Marvel, and you know I've been on the record of saying, as much as I love Brie Larson, I'm not really I haven't been the biggest fan of that portrayal, to be fair though I'm on. Melania is going to carry that movie as Miss Marvel. So excited to see that character back, excited to see her get her shine. And you know, fingers crossed that the MCU can figure it out.

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But that's it for this episode of Illuminati Fan Theory. So what do you guys think of these? I really enjoy going down the Marvel rabbit hole, you know, even though I've spent a lot of this episode criticizing pretty much every single project that I talked about. But I mean, the MCU is such a core topic when it comes to this podcast, you know I'll always come back to it, I'll always have a lot of love, and I think it's just really a frustration because we know how great they can be and they haven't really been that lately. So I think it's good to have these conversations, good to be critical, and you know that's the way change happens. So let me know what you guys thought of these theories. Hope you enjoyed this episode.

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Folks, I'm Phil Smith aka Philip Filipino, and that has been the July edition of Illuminati fan theories. Do not forget. We release new episodes every Monday and Wednesday with additional content over on our Tik Tok page, and all you have to do is wait for it. So I heard you're looking for a go to source for entertainment. Wait for it Gaming, wait for it Anime Plus Ultra. Mr Eric Almighty and Phil the Filipino, yeah, they've got you covered and all you got to do is wait for it. This is the Wait for it podcast.

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